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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2013.05.07 22:25:00 -
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EvilweaselSA wrote:yeah the big story of this election was how staggeringly bad the HBC is at this voting thing
Correction: "Was" :v
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:19:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:I am finding it funny that I keep being the dark horse who proves things didn't work as planned in the election because you cannot figure out who the hell voted for me. I lack a bloc yet I got enough to get elected.
Once you actually look at the candidates list and break down who's who, it's pretty easy to see why you got in. The short version: there were barely any candidates at all, and less than half of them weren't bloc members.
Since this thread is "show and tell stuff", this is how I worked it out:
Unaffiliated
Ripard Teg, Mangala Solaris, Trebor Daehdoow, Ali Aras, Psychotic Monk, corebloodbrothers, riverini, Mike Azariah, Steve Ronuken, Roc Weiler, Psychobitch
HBC
Malcanis, Banlish, Sort Dragon, Sala Cameron, Awol Aurix
CFC
Kaleb Rysode, Mynnna, Kesper North, Unforgiven Storm*, Arctura, DaeHan Minhyok
N3
progodlegend, Travis Musgrat
Wormhole
Chitsa Jason, Nathan Jameson, James Arget, Ayeson, Cipreh
Russian
Greene Lee, Korvin
First, some caveats. I counted Malcanis and Unforgiven Storm as bloc candidates despite their essentially running without official bloc support. My reasoning for this is that your average voter whose ear isn't too tight to the ground either (a) wouldn't know that or (b) wouldn't believe it.
One could also argue that both Ali Aras (Provibloc) and Mangala Solaris (RvB) could be considered bloc candidates, though I kept it just to 0.0 blocs that we know would organize (or attempt to, in the HBC's case), since the "null" vs "other" ideological divide is probably the most important one.
The Russian bloc is also something I feel kind of weird about including since I don't speak Russian and thus have no idea who their community backed at all.
Either way, I'll show the numbers with both versions of these factors.
This leaves:
11 Unaffiliated voters, 13 if Malcanis and Unforgiven Storm are considered independent, 15 if Russian doesn't count
13 from the 3 major 0.0 blocs, 11 without Malc/Unforgiven
5 Wormhole
2 Russian (if you count it)
That means anyone who didn't want to vote a null bloc candidate had, AT MOST 15 people to choose from and a 14 slot ballot to fill out, and that's before you even start to factor in the obvious qualitty of candidates (think the likes of riverini, who stopped campaigning after the false positive thing in the primary, and psychobitch who was psychobitch). Account for some personal choices and the general name visibility you'd get from Podside and maybe even your blog, and it's not hard to see how you got elected at all, actually.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1302
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:33:00 -
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Malcanis wrote:If you look at the numbers, I really didn't get a lot of support from the HBC. Sort R.U.N.N.O.F.T. with ~75% of their "voting power". I got maybe a couple of hundred effective votes from them - less than I got from the "Ripard Slate".
Well, the HBC didn't have a lot of votes on what I'm presuming is their official ticket in the first place - 1639 votes are abysmal. That said, Banlish getting shunted down below Sort and Sala is probably the only reason you even got any of them.
Still though, my list was sort of trying to capture a picture of what things were like going into the election - we know now that you really didn't get a lot of bloc support at all (and that you didn't need it either), but going into the election that was kind of up in the air. I do find it kind of funny that you were higher ranked on the CFC ticket than the HBC ticket though :v
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1303
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Posted - 2013.05.08 08:49:00 -
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He advocated against it during CSM 6, which had just been by-and-large swept by nullsec with just FPTP. With those circumstances it probably would have been worst-case scenario.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1303
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:02:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:The big danger with FPTP was that more null-sec alliances started copying the Goons and the council become almost completely null-sec dominated.
And how does this explain CSM 7? CSM 6 was null dominated as it was the first time null ever really came out in force to vote for the CSM. CSM 7 on the other hand was about as diverse a CSM as you can get without picking the members by hand.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1303
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Posted - 2013.05.08 09:39:00 -
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Green Gambit wrote:[Well I actually answered that question before I posed the line you quoted.
Please at least read before trying to troll.
I read it. It didn't answer why the CSM somehow became even more balanced despite this obvious danger of "more null-sec alliances copying the Goons", which is an especially stupid statement in the wake of this election data proving that a null bloc isn't necessarily any better organized (HBC) or motivated (N3) than anyone else in the game. Hell, in HBC's case it turned out to be even worse.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1308
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Posted - 2013.05.08 21:46:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:Well you can always take out the second part of your sentence & force them to vote thru compulsory sufferage. It wouldn't in any way guarenty representation but it could give CCP a better idea of player preferences after the random noise is filtered out.
The only thing compulsory suffrage "guarantees" is a several hundred percent increase in antidepressant and sedative dosage for GM's answering petitions.
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Snow Axe
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
1310
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Posted - 2013.05.11 02:18:00 -
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DarthNefarius wrote:CCP striped the names off too guarrenty anomnimity so I doubt those stats are easily available also in the endorsement prcess it was possible to giv multiple endorsements after your endorsee announced they had made it you could endorse a new candidate ( I did this multiple times )
They did say they recorded which accounts voted, they just didn't associate an account with a ballot when the ballots were recorded. Assuming they kept the same records for the primary portion, this is definitely a doable stat, and even if they don't publish it, they should definitely find it at least for themselves for future educational purposes.
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